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Name one Cornish newsreader or
presenter... More on those badgers.

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Is there something
we might find for Sally Wingate? No.

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Is it worth thinking
about Britain's Tastiest Village?

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Village is
appointment-to-view television.

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You're telling me we've lost
Clare Balding?

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I know it's not words
you want to hear.

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We'd love you to do the show, Carol.

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It's like me in a restaurant
with Carol Vorderman.

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I'm like "Guys,
whatever happens, it's enough."

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'Now she says she believes that
could be down to the Corporation's

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'institutional
anti-West Country bias.'

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What? Bollocks.

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So that's happened.

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Woman's Hour. I've got you on
tomorrow with Jenni Murray.

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Got ME on?

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All you need to do is decide
whether you want to go up tonight

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or catch the early train
in the morning.

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Manchester? Gah, no, bad luck.

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Stand by, Two. Mix through.

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Cue on two.

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The BBC's announced
the appointment

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of ex-Head of Olympic Deliveries,
Ian Fletcher,

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as its new Head of Values.

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'Time now for the shipping forecast.'

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Superimpose.

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Subtitles by MemoryOnSmells
http://UKsubtitles.ru.

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There you go.

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Oh, right, Tracey, thanks,
that's great.

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Don't think I normally do this, Ian.
No, I won't.

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I'm not the sort of person that
gets the coffee in life. No.

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It's Friday morning and BBC Head of
Values, Ian Fletcher,

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is at Euston Station

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with BBC Communications Officer
Tracey Pritchard.

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Is there chocolate on that?
No, there is not. No, OK, right.

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They're on their way up
to Manchester

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so that Ian can take part

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in a live interview on Woman's Hour
on Radio 4.

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I have to say, having slept on it,

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I still don't know
why we're doing this.

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It's Friday. I'm sorry,
but that's just the way it is.

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Why is Woman's Hour
from Manchester on Fridays?

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OK. That's a good question, Ian.
I'm not being funny or anything
but I'm not sure anyone knows that.

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That's great, but why I couldn't just
do it down the line from here...

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Ah, no. I mean, I have to say,
it's beyond me.

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What it is is, because of the
interest there is in this, Ian,

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because of the whole thing,

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it's crucial you're seen to be in
the studio with Jenni. It's radio!

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With the BBC now accused of ageism,
sexism,

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and institutional anti-West Country
bias in its treatment

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of Spotlight South West
presenter Sally Wingate,

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the Woman's Hour interview is an
important test of Ian's purpose

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as the Corporation's new
Head of Values and as a man.

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Oh, right, here we go. Hi, Siobhan...
Oh, right. Best of luck with that.

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Yes, I'm at Euston, actually.
I've just got on the train...

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What do you mean, where? I'm...
No, wait, hang on a minute.

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Where are you?

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Oh, bloody great!

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Yeah, OK, OK, I can see you now.

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Yes, I know you can. Comin' at ya.
Yes, I can see that too.

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But with the PR issues involved in
something as highly visible as this,

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newly appointed Brand BBC Consultant
Siobhan Sharpe

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from PR Company Perfect Curve

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knows how vital it is to make
herself visible, too.

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OK, so let's do this.
Let's ride this train!

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Yes. Great.

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Let's nail this puppy to the floor.

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Oh, right. OK. Here we go. What?

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The Culture Secretary has been
on the Today Programme.

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It's not a good start
to the journey.

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In an interview on today's
Today Programme on Radio 4,

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the Secretary of State for Culture,
Media and Sport

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has expressed his or her
"disappointment"

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about the way the BBC
has treated Sally Wingate.

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What I'm going to do is,
if it's all right with you,

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I want to use this time

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to go through a few scenarios
with you, Ian.

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Sure. I've been
thinking about this, obviously.

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I'm sure you have, Ian,

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but I'm not being funny or anything
but you're a man. Well, yes.

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Being a woman, I can say this.
You're in very tricky territory
with this issue, and it's live.

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Yes. What I'm thinking...

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Jenni's going to want to
talk about Sally Wingate, obviously.

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Obviously. Whereas I would say
you don't want to do that.

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No, the sooner...

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What you want to be
talking about is Carol Vorderman.

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Right. She's our trump card here,
and we're bringing her back
to the BBC in a new show.

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Well, yes. She's in her fifties,
she's good with numbers,

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and my husband always said
if he left me for anybody,

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it would be for her. Did he?

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He did, yes. As it turned out,
he left me for a receptionist
in a BMW showroom.

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Really? But that's a different story

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that doesn't alter what I'm saying
here.

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Carol ticks all the boxes for us.
We love Carol.

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David, I don't understand
what you're saying to me.

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I know, I just got this text
out of nowhere. Yeah, but you're not
making sense.

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I know. It's a nightmare.

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Meanwhile, back in London,
experienced producer Lucy Freeman

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and entertainment format producer
David Wilkes are in early.

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I'm in the coffee queue as usual,
and I'm decaf first up

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cos I'm in early, it's a big day,
and I'm not going to max out

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my caffeine levels because...
Yes, whatever.

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I'm standing there and get, like,
a text, and look down
and it's, like, Clare Balding. Yes.

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And I'm like, "What the fuck?"

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With Carol Vorderman coming in this
morning

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to discuss her presenting role
on Britain's Tastiest Village,

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a major new flagship BBC One show
which she's eventually agreed

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to co-host with Alan Titchmarsh,

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and with Head of Output,
Anna Rampton, due to announce it

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at a BAFTA Spirit of Excellence
Forum at lunchtime,

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there's been some inexplicably
unforeseen news.

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But even then, why would
she want to see us?
Why is she in the building?

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She's coming in later for like, I
don't know. A horse thing, whatever.

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Wanted to pop in and say hi first.
But Carol's in this morning. I know.

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How has this even happened? I know,
tell me about it. No, I'm asking
you, how has this happened?

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I just, like, got
a text out of nowhere.

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It's gradually emerging that
Clare Balding,

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the original choice to present
Britain's Tastiest Village,

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is available after all
and apparently still committed
to the show.

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I phoned Simon
at ITV, and apparently Clare

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is so committed to Village that
she's like,

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"I'm not going to do
How Big Is Your Dog? at all
unless they change dates."

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No. In the end, they were
like, "Yeah, OK, then, whatever."

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Oh, you're joking.
Simon's practically suicidal.

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Does Anna know? Anna?

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Have you told Anna?

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Oh, yeah, right. Well, no.
I mean, not really.

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I mean, this is your show, David.

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I'm happy to help, but for God's
sake... I know. It's a nightmare.

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So when you last spoke to Clare,
cos you spoke to her, didn't you?

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Yeah. How did you leave it with her
when the dates all went wrong?

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Clare was really
brilliant about everything.

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You told her we were going to have
to move on and everything,

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you made that clear? Yeah. Uhhh...

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We just had a lovely chat.
Oh, you're kidding me.

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You know what Clare's like,
lovely Clare.

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Nobody wrote the letter?
Right. Or the e-mail saying
how sad we were to lose her?

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How we completely understood
her situation,

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how reluctantly we had to move on
without her? Yes, right, good. No.

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Nobody did that? I know. I just,
like, got this text out of nowhere.

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OK, so here's the thing with this,
guys, here's what it is.

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Forget radio, forget Jenni Murphy,
forget all that. Murray.
Excuse me? Jenni Murray.

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Sure, forget her. How many people
listen to Women's Hour? Uh, well...

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Woman's Hour. Sure. How many people
listen to it?

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I'm not sure of the figures,
but... OK, so how many people?

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How many? I don't know,
just to save time, I give up.
Exactly. Go figure. Whereas...

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No, no, hang on. What is it?
What's the answer?

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Exactly, that's my point, Ian.
No-one even knows that shit.

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3,470,000. Excuse me?

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The average weekly audience
of Woman's Hour is 3,470,000.

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OK, so that's like a number, right?
Well, yes.

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Plus they're going to be, like
old people, right?

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They're going to
be sitting there anyway.

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How many people follow
Justin Bieber on Twitter?

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45,000,000. OK, fine, that's...
45,000,000? Sure.

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God, that's depressing.

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What's happening today is
Brand Fletcher, Head of, um,

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like, Head of... Head of Values.
Head of Values, yeah, cool.

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Siobhan, for a start,
I don't actually tweet, OK?

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So, I mean, I'm not even on Twitter,
so... Na-ah.

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I'm sorry, Siobhan, I don't want
to be rude or anything
but Ian is not Justin Bieber.

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Well, no, exactly.

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And to be honest, as far as I can
see,

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he's never going to be either.
I'm sorry, Ian.

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No, that's fine. I have to tell
things as they are. Yes, of course.

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OK, so you totally are on Twitter.

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Yeah, what? As of now, you have
14,000 followers. What?!

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Meanwhile, somewhere between London
Euston and Manchester Piccadilly,
it's becoming clear that Siobhan

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has had her office at Perfect Curve
set up a Twitter account

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for Ian in order to
establish his cultural capital.

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So what happens is... Guys, we are
now approaching Macclesfield.

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OK, so what happens is,
like, you tweet:

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"Yay, on the train
to Manchester for Women's Hour.

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"Soooo excited, can't wait.
Catch me on Radio 2 at ten."

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It's Woman's Hour.

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Also, it's Radio 4,
just as a detail.

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And then we tweet it to
Jamie Oliver. Jamie Oliver?

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Yeah, we love Jamie, he owes us big.
But, Siobhan...

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When he first came to us,
he didn't even have the lisp.

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So then Jamie re-tweets it, and
suddenly it's hashtag mashup city.

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One of the design flaws with your
strategy, Siobhan, is,

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I haven't tweeted that
and I'm afraid I won't tweet that

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or anything remotely like that
in the foreseeable future.

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No, that's cool. I'm sorry.

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No, I'm good with that.
No, I tweeted it for you. What?

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Congratulations, Ian.
You've changed the game here.

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Suddenly, Jenni Murphy's nowhere.
It's Murray, OK?

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It's Woman's Hour with
Jenni Murray on Radio bloody 4.

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I'm sorry, this is wrong. We need to
talk about this.

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Got a paradigm,
got to shift it, Ian.

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No, you're not actually listening.
OK, I totally am listening.

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What it is is, you guys are not
saying the right stuff.

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So you're collecting Carol?

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You're picking up
Carol from Reception?

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Yes, hi. I was just...

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Yes, no, that's fine.

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And we're meeting her where?

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Yes, I'll book somewhere
and I'll try,

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and I'll find somewhere that's free.

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Good, because I've got to be
away by 10.45. Right. OK.

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I'm getting a lift with Patten
to this BAFTA thing

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and he likes to be bloody early.

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Yes, no, that should be fine.

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And we're confident
Carol's on board?

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Yes, I mean yes, I mean yes. What?

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No, I mean, I'm sure she's already
decided, basically, you know.

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She's just coming in this
morning to give us

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an opportunity to tell her how
fabulous she is. Right.

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Yes, you know how it is. Good.

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Well, I hope you're right,
because this has been tight,

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and I have to say I'm not
enjoying it at all.

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Yes. Oh, yes, cos, uh... Yeah?

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No, the other thing that's
happened...

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what's also happened, Clare...

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I mean, as it turns out,
can actually,

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and I think I'm right in saying

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she is actually coming in this
morning, yes, she is in fact,

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is actually available after all.

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Clare? Clare Balding. Yes.

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Yes, so that's a bit of a surprise.

220
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It's perhaps worth reminding
ourselves, Sarah,

221
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that 24 hours ago, this was a story
about so-called institutional

222
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anti-West Country bias within
the corporation.

223
00:11:22,737 --> 00:11:25,736
@KirstieAllsopp, "Give Jenni
a big slobbery kiss from me".

224
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She truly is the mother of all
presenters.

225
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Right.

226
00:11:29,737 --> 00:11:32,736
@GeriHalliwell.
"Love, love, love Radio 4".

227
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Brainy people talking.
Right, yes, thank you.

228
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I love this, I so love it.

229
00:11:36,737 --> 00:11:40,736
Meanwhile, Ian has already
arrived at the Woman's Hour studio

230
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at the BBC's iconic
Media City building in Salford,

231
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and is waiting for his turn
with Jenni Murray.

232
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'The BBC has been through ups and
downs, particularly in the last few
years...'

233
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@rioferdy5, "England shit ever
since Glenn Hoddle was manager.

234
00:11:52,737 --> 00:11:53,736
"Too much poverty in the world".

235
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Yes, I'm just watching this
if that's OK.

236
00:11:55,737 --> 00:11:57,736
Sure. Thanks.
No, sure, that's a good idea.

237
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'Disappointment in relation to the
BBC, that's not good...'

238
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We're all set up. Right. OK. Cool.

239
00:12:02,737 --> 00:12:05,736
Just so you know, I've had a word
with Helen, the... OK.

240
00:12:05,737 --> 00:12:07,736
..A word with Helen, the producer,

241
00:12:07,737 --> 00:12:09,736
and what I've done is...
Sure... I've basically... Yep.

242
00:12:09,737 --> 00:12:13,736
I'm talking to Ian, actually.
Cool. This is important.
No, sure, I'm good with that.

243
00:12:13,737 --> 00:12:16,736
I prepped her on
Britain's Tastiest Village. Right.

244
00:12:16,737 --> 00:12:19,736
But I didn't mention
Carol Vorderman. OK.

245
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I left that for you. So hopefully,

246
00:12:20,737 --> 00:12:22,736
that's going to help you
move the conversation

247
00:12:22,737 --> 00:12:26,736
away from Sally Wingate...
And towards the principle of a more
diverse...

248
00:12:26,737 --> 00:12:29,736
Towards Carol Vorderman. Yes,
exactly, towards Carol Vorderman.

249
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Which will be a surprise for Jenni,
because she won't see that coming.

250
00:12:32,737 --> 00:12:35,736
At which point you're pretty much
home and dry, in my opinion.
Yes, good.

251
00:12:35,737 --> 00:12:40,736
OK. "OMG, Vorderman and Titchmarsh
together at last,
Sunday nights BBC One? No WAY.

252
00:12:40,737 --> 00:12:42,736
"Just gone seriously
weird at the knees".

253
00:12:42,737 --> 00:12:46,736
I'm sorry? I love Twitter. I so love
it. Who the hell's that from,
for God's sake?

254
00:12:46,737 --> 00:12:48,736
That's from you. From me? Sure.

255
00:12:48,737 --> 00:12:51,736
Right. No, no, no. No, I'm sorry,
Siobhan, you can't do this.

256
00:12:51,737 --> 00:12:52,736
No, I can. It's not an issue.

257
00:12:52,737 --> 00:12:55,736
No, you can't just do
stuff like this on your own. De nada.

258
00:12:55,737 --> 00:12:57,736
Don't get me wrong, Siobhan.
I'm grateful for your input. Sure.

259
00:12:57,737 --> 00:13:00,736
But I've set this thing up as
an exclusive for Woman's Hour.

260
00:13:00,737 --> 00:13:04,736
I'm about to announce something live
on radio, but apparently
I've already tweeted it.

261
00:13:04,737 --> 00:13:07,736
You so have. You just totally
bucket-sized the whole audience

262
00:13:07,737 --> 00:13:08,736
for everyone involved.

263
00:13:08,737 --> 00:13:11,736
What? You pre-tweeted this thing,
Ian, you're totally ahead of trend.

264
00:13:11,737 --> 00:13:15,737
And here's the thing with this,
you'd better get used to it, OK?

265
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This is a fiddly one, isn't it?
Fiddly? It's really bad luck.

266
00:13:21,737 --> 00:13:24,736
Meanwhile, 180 miles
south at New Broadcasting House

267
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in London, other events
are happening,

268
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but at exactly the same time.

269
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And I'm looking down at my phone.
I'm like, no way.

270
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Yep. It is genuinely hard to believe.

271
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I know, it's like, how has this even
happened, guys, you know?
OK, but it has, it's happened.

272
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I know.

273
00:13:39,737 --> 00:13:41,736
You guys will know what you want to
do about it,

274
00:13:41,737 --> 00:13:43,736
but I'm happy to help
you guys in any way I can. Yes.

275
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With Carol Vorderman due to arrive
at any minute, so is Clare Balding,

276
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and an extraordinary meeting of the
Damage Limitation Group

277
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chaired by Director of Strategic
Governance Simon Harwood

278
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is already under way.

279
00:13:54,737 --> 00:13:57,736
Ah, yes, oh, thank you, Izzy.
Brilliant.

280
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I haven't been
involved in the detail of this

281
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and how you want to do this
is very much up to you,

282
00:14:02,737 --> 00:14:05,736
and of course, Anna, I know you're
going to have ideas.

283
00:14:05,737 --> 00:14:07,736
Well, I've said to Lucy...
No, I don't want that.

284
00:14:07,737 --> 00:14:10,736
I said to Lucy, this needs to be
sorted, and needs to be sorted now.

285
00:14:10,737 --> 00:14:12,736
Oh, no, brilliant. The fact is,
I've said that all along.

286
00:14:12,737 --> 00:14:16,736
No, brilliant, Anna. To be clear
about where we are now -

287
00:14:16,737 --> 00:14:18,736
is Carol actually contracted?

288
00:14:18,737 --> 00:14:19,736
Well, exactly, yes.

289
00:14:19,737 --> 00:14:21,736
Is Carol actually contracted?

290
00:14:21,737 --> 00:14:23,736
I mean, I've spent
the last two days on the phone

291
00:14:23,737 --> 00:14:25,736
to her agents trying to sell them
the idea of Alan Titchmarsh

292
00:14:25,737 --> 00:14:28,736
as an A-lister, and to Alan's agents
trying to sell them the idea

293
00:14:28,737 --> 00:14:31,736
of Carol as a, you know - trying
to sell them the idea of Carol.

294
00:14:31,737 --> 00:14:34,736
Oh, no, no, brilliant Lucy,
well done, you. Yeah, lovely Lucy.

295
00:14:34,737 --> 00:14:36,736
So is Carol actually contracted?

296
00:14:36,737 --> 00:14:37,736
Well, I mean, not legally, no.

297
00:14:37,737 --> 00:14:40,736
OK, well, that's something.
No, but morally... Brilliant.

298
00:14:40,737 --> 00:14:43,736
She's coming in this morning,
and after everything we've
said to her...

299
00:14:43,737 --> 00:14:47,736
Oh, yes, no, no, brilliant.
No, no, absolutely. Very strong.

300
00:14:47,737 --> 00:14:49,736
So listen, from the outside,

301
00:14:49,737 --> 00:14:53,736
as someone who hasn't been involved
in this at all, I, look,

302
00:14:53,737 --> 00:14:56,736
I'll back you guys
whatever you decide to do, OK,

303
00:14:56,737 --> 00:14:57,736
so just take that as read.

304
00:14:57,737 --> 00:15:01,736
I'm not sure quite how thrilled
Tony will be with the idea

305
00:15:01,737 --> 00:15:03,736
that we've got Clare Balding...

306
00:15:03,737 --> 00:15:07,736
so that's Dame Clare Balding, OK?

307
00:15:07,737 --> 00:15:10,736
So keen to do a BBC show
that she's had the,

308
00:15:10,737 --> 00:15:12,736
the ITV schedule bent
out of shape in order to do it,

309
00:15:12,737 --> 00:15:13,736
and we're saying to her,

310
00:15:13,737 --> 00:15:16,736
"You know what, Clare? Thanks, but
we're going to go with someone else."

311
00:15:16,737 --> 00:15:20,736
I don't think she's
actually, like, a Dame? Yes, well...

312
00:15:20,737 --> 00:15:23,736
She's like some other... Yeah, yeah.
What the hell do I know, but I guess

313
00:15:23,737 --> 00:15:25,736
all I'm saying is that
if you do have to make a choice

314
00:15:25,737 --> 00:15:28,736
between one or the other,
then it probably has to be Clare.

315
00:15:28,737 --> 00:15:30,736
Yes. Right, fine. I mean,
doesn't it?

316
00:15:30,737 --> 00:15:32,736
Uh-uh.

317
00:15:32,737 --> 00:15:35,736
The fact is, it's
appointment-to-view television.

318
00:15:35,737 --> 00:15:37,736
I've said that all along.

319
00:15:37,737 --> 00:15:40,736
OK, can I say right now, I'm not
telling Carol? Yeah, lovely Carol.

320
00:15:40,737 --> 00:15:42,736
There's absolutely no
way I'm going to do that. No, sure.

321
00:15:42,737 --> 00:15:45,736
It's not fair to her and given
what's happened, I really think this

322
00:15:45,737 --> 00:15:48,736
should come from someone at a senior
level. Oh, no, absolutely, Lucy.

323
00:15:48,737 --> 00:15:50,736
That is absolutely up to you guys.

324
00:15:50,737 --> 00:15:53,736
I've already said what I think.
Yeah, lovely Clare.

325
00:15:53,737 --> 00:15:54,737
Brilliant.

326
00:15:56,737 --> 00:16:01,736
So iamfletcherbbc just got
re-tweeted by Danni Minogue.

327
00:16:01,737 --> 00:16:02,736
Right. Thank you.

328
00:16:02,737 --> 00:16:05,736
I thought you might want to know.
Is that good?

329
00:16:05,737 --> 00:16:08,736
Good? It's like instant
penetration in the gay community.
It's huge.

330
00:16:08,737 --> 00:16:10,736
I suppose that's something of a first
for Radio 4.

331
00:16:10,737 --> 00:16:14,736
You mention Carol Vorderman as well,
you practically hit gay oil here.

332
00:16:14,737 --> 00:16:16,736
Back up in Salford, it's now nearly
time

333
00:16:16,737 --> 00:16:20,736
for Ian's unavoidable interview on
Woman's Hour with Jenni Murray.

334
00:16:20,737 --> 00:16:23,736
I don't want to worry you,
but I just picked up an e-mail
from mission control.

335
00:16:23,737 --> 00:16:25,736
Right. I'm not being funny or
anything,

336
00:16:25,737 --> 00:16:28,736
but I think we might have a bit of a
situation on our hands here.

337
00:16:28,737 --> 00:16:30,736
What, a situation? Yes, exactly, Ian.

338
00:16:30,737 --> 00:16:33,736
What sort of a situation? Like I say,
I don't want to be negative

339
00:16:33,737 --> 00:16:36,736
but this feels to me like it has
the makings of a major fuck-up.

340
00:16:36,737 --> 00:16:38,736
Right. OK. So...

341
00:16:38,737 --> 00:16:40,736
Hi. Hi, yes. Still a few more
minutes to go,

342
00:16:40,737 --> 00:16:42,736
but now might be a good time

343
00:16:42,737 --> 00:16:44,736
to walk you into the studio, Ian,
if that's good for you?

344
00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:46,736
Right. Yes, of course that's...

345
00:16:46,737 --> 00:16:49,737
Great. Right, no, yes, yes, great.
Cool.

346
00:16:58,737 --> 00:17:00,736
Stop all the clocks.
It's TV's Carol Vorderman.

347
00:17:00,737 --> 00:17:02,736
Yes, this is Simon Harwood.

348
00:17:02,737 --> 00:17:04,736
Oh, no, really, Izzy.
Carol doesn't care who I am.

349
00:17:04,737 --> 00:17:07,736
She's Carol Vorderman,
for God's sake. Simon Harwood.

350
00:17:07,737 --> 00:17:10,736
Hello, Simon. So is Izzy looking
after you OK? Oh, yes.

351
00:17:10,737 --> 00:17:12,736
Yes, she's good, isn't she?
She certainly is.

352
00:17:12,737 --> 00:17:15,736
Tragically, I'm just on my way to
a bloody meeting with His Tonyship,

353
00:17:15,737 --> 00:17:18,736
the Lord Director General, otherwise
I'd find some excuse to stay.

354
00:17:18,737 --> 00:17:20,736
But I couldn't go without saying hi.
I'd never forgive myself.

355
00:17:20,737 --> 00:17:22,736
Well, it's nice to meet you.

356
00:17:22,737 --> 00:17:24,736
Fabulous to have
you in the building, finally.

357
00:17:24,737 --> 00:17:26,736
So good luck in there.

358
00:17:26,737 --> 00:17:27,736
Thank you.

359
00:17:27,737 --> 00:17:29,736
Don't take any nonsense from anyone.

360
00:17:29,737 --> 00:17:33,737
Don't worry, I won't. Excellent
work. Carry on, everyone, brilliant.

361
00:17:34,737 --> 00:17:36,736
Carol, hi. Hi. Lucy.

362
00:17:36,737 --> 00:17:39,736
Yes, of course. Hi, Lucy.
And Anna, of course.

363
00:17:39,737 --> 00:17:40,736
Hi, Anna. Carol, hi.

364
00:17:40,737 --> 00:17:43,736
Really nice to see you again. You
too, for sure. And David, of course.

365
00:17:43,737 --> 00:17:46,736
For various reasons,
whether they know it yet or not,

366
00:17:46,737 --> 00:17:49,736
this is going to be a decisive
meeting for all those involved,

367
00:17:49,737 --> 00:17:51,736
especially for those
who don't know it yet.

368
00:17:51,737 --> 00:17:53,736
Have to say, it's very funky
in here, isn't it?

369
00:17:53,737 --> 00:17:55,736
Well, it is, really, yes.

370
00:17:55,737 --> 00:17:56,736
It's not how I remember it -

371
00:17:56,737 --> 00:17:58,736
all the crumbling corridors
that led nowhere.

372
00:17:58,737 --> 00:18:02,736
I'm not sure I'm going to
be able to get used to this. No.

373
00:18:02,737 --> 00:18:03,736
For Lucy, Anna and David,

374
00:18:03,737 --> 00:18:07,736
their task is to find a way
of breaking the bad news to Carol

375
00:18:07,737 --> 00:18:10,736
in such a way that it doesn't sound
like a giant and protracted cock-up.

376
00:18:10,737 --> 00:18:13,736
Plus, I suppose this is exactly
the kind of series

377
00:18:13,737 --> 00:18:16,736
that the BBC should be making.
Exactly. Yes, good. It so is.

378
00:18:16,737 --> 00:18:19,736
So, I mean, Anna, maybe we should...
Maybe you can bring Carol up to speed

379
00:18:19,737 --> 00:18:21,736
with exactly where
we're up to with things?

380
00:18:21,737 --> 00:18:24,736
No, sure. Because there have been
one or two, erm...
KNOCK AT DOOR

381
00:18:24,737 --> 00:18:27,736
Sorry, everyone, excuse me.
No, that's OK, Jack.

382
00:18:27,737 --> 00:18:29,736
You know, your car's here.
OK, thanks.

383
00:18:29,737 --> 00:18:32,736
And a message from Lord Patten's
office - he's ready when you are.

384
00:18:32,737 --> 00:18:33,736
OK, thanks. Wow. Ah, yes.

385
00:18:33,737 --> 00:18:35,736
Get you. I am so sorry,

386
00:18:35,737 --> 00:18:38,736
I'm going to have to go,
I'm afraid. Sounds like you are.

387
00:18:38,737 --> 00:18:42,736
The fact is, I'm supposed to be
at this BAFTA thing. Lucky you.

388
00:18:42,737 --> 00:18:44,736
Horrible timing. Yes.

389
00:18:44,737 --> 00:18:47,736
But I wanted to be here
to at least say hi to you,

390
00:18:47,737 --> 00:18:49,736
so I guess that's something.
Now, enjoy the...

391
00:18:49,737 --> 00:18:53,736
You know, enjoy your water
and let's talk soon, OK?

392
00:18:53,737 --> 00:18:55,736
Fantastic. I'll see you soon.

393
00:18:55,737 --> 00:18:58,737
Bye now. Bye. Bye, Anna.

394
00:19:07,737 --> 00:19:09,736
Right, then.

395
00:19:09,737 --> 00:19:10,737
Yes.

396
00:19:12,737 --> 00:19:15,736
And with me now is the BBC's
new head of values, Ian Fletcher.

397
00:19:15,737 --> 00:19:16,736
Ian, welcome to Woman's Hour.

398
00:19:16,737 --> 00:19:19,736
It's very good to be here,
Jenni, thank you.

399
00:19:19,737 --> 00:19:21,736
We haven't got time for this.
I need to know from you now

400
00:19:21,737 --> 00:19:24,736
what Ian Fletcher can and cannot say
to Jenni Murray live on air now,

401
00:19:24,737 --> 00:19:28,737
because that is what has happened
here. Like, three million re-tweets.
Like major, major crapfest.

402
00:19:32,737 --> 00:19:35,736
Meanwhile, back in London,
with all hands on deck,

403
00:19:35,737 --> 00:19:38,736
another thing is
about to happen. Will...

404
00:19:38,737 --> 00:19:40,736
Yeah, hi... Oh, hi. You busy?
What, now? Yes. No.

405
00:19:40,737 --> 00:19:44,736
Could you do something for me?
Yeah, OK. It's important. That's OK.

406
00:19:44,737 --> 00:19:46,736
I'd do it myself but I can't be
too far away from...

407
00:19:46,737 --> 00:19:48,736
Erm... Doesn't matter,
it's complicated. OK, cool.

408
00:19:48,737 --> 00:19:52,736
Basically, could you go down to
reception and meet Clare Balding?
Yeah. You know who she is?

409
00:19:52,737 --> 00:19:54,736
Yeah, I know her, yeah.
Horses. Right.

410
00:19:54,737 --> 00:19:57,736
She's down there now,
so could you bring her up here? OK.

411
00:19:57,737 --> 00:20:00,736
But I don't really have time to
explain it, we're in a bit of a...

412
00:20:00,737 --> 00:20:03,736
Basically, could you -
without making it obvious -

413
00:20:03,737 --> 00:20:06,736
could you delay her getting up here
for as long as you possibly can?

414
00:20:06,737 --> 00:20:07,736
OK, no worries.

415
00:20:07,737 --> 00:20:10,736
Basically, we have to get Carol
Vorderman out of the building

416
00:20:10,737 --> 00:20:12,736
before she gets up here. OK, good.

417
00:20:12,737 --> 00:20:15,736
Are you sure you're OK
with that? Yeah. With what?

418
00:20:15,737 --> 00:20:17,736
With everything I just
said to you. Oh, yeah, yeah.

419
00:20:17,737 --> 00:20:18,736
No, that's cool, yeah.

420
00:20:18,737 --> 00:20:21,737
Really, I will love you for
the rest of my life. OK, cool.

421
00:20:27,737 --> 00:20:30,736
As we've been hearing, there's been
a great deal in the media

422
00:20:30,737 --> 00:20:32,736
about the Sally Wingate case.
Of, course, yes.

423
00:20:32,737 --> 00:20:35,736
A lot of it, I have to say,
not very complimentary

424
00:20:35,737 --> 00:20:37,736
about the role the BBC
has played in this. Oh, no, look.

425
00:20:37,737 --> 00:20:39,736
Of course, I'm aware of that, Jenni,

426
00:20:39,737 --> 00:20:41,736
it's very much part of my job
to be aware of it.

427
00:20:41,737 --> 00:20:45,736
Because there are those who say this
case is far from an isolated one

428
00:20:45,737 --> 00:20:47,736
and that it's part of
a worrying trend.

429
00:20:47,737 --> 00:20:50,736
Well... You're Head Of Values.
Absolutely, yes.

430
00:20:50,737 --> 00:20:52,736
Well, is the BBC sexist or ageist

431
00:20:52,737 --> 00:20:55,736
in the way it treats
its female presenters? Right...

432
00:20:55,737 --> 00:20:57,737
Perhaps even both? Right, yes.

433
00:21:05,737 --> 00:21:09,737
I mean, obviously I'll talk to your
agent and we can sort out some kind
of... Oh, definitely.

434
00:21:19,737 --> 00:21:22,736
Apparently, the most common last
word the pilots say before they
crash...

435
00:21:22,737 --> 00:21:24,736
No, please just shut up.

436
00:21:24,737 --> 00:21:26,737
Yeah, OK.
Yes, please shut up, David. Yeah.

437
00:21:31,737 --> 00:21:33,736
No, get off, I am going to,
this has got to...

438
00:21:33,737 --> 00:21:35,736
We've just been
retweeted by Enrique Iglesias.

439
00:21:35,737 --> 00:21:37,736
He absolutely cannot
mention Carol Vord...

440
00:21:37,737 --> 00:21:40,736
..Younger women just there to look
good but it's the men,

441
00:21:40,737 --> 00:21:43,736
and let's face it, often older men,
who are taken seriously.

442
00:21:43,737 --> 00:21:44,736
Well, here again, I have to say...

443
00:21:44,737 --> 00:21:47,736
That's seven million people all over
the world expecting this to...

444
00:21:47,737 --> 00:21:51,736
I'm sorry, I'm not going to let you,
I'm sorry, get off.

445
00:21:51,737 --> 00:21:52,736
..any opportunity
we can behind the scenes,

446
00:21:52,737 --> 00:21:57,736
and indeed in front of the scenes
where it's perhaps more visible,
to move beyond the old stereotypes.

447
00:21:57,737 --> 00:22:00,736
But specifically... Yes. Because
generalisations are all very well...

448
00:22:00,737 --> 00:22:01,736
Absolutely, yes.

449
00:22:01,737 --> 00:22:03,736
I know, I know.

450
00:22:03,737 --> 00:22:06,736
I don't know, absolutely no idea.

451
00:22:06,737 --> 00:22:08,736
No, just arrived.
Still in reception.

452
00:22:08,737 --> 00:22:12,736
I just got a tweet off Gabby
about five minutes ago.

453
00:22:12,737 --> 00:22:13,736
Something about Carol Vorderman.

454
00:22:13,737 --> 00:22:15,736
And since then, it's just gone
absolutely crazy.

455
00:22:15,737 --> 00:22:19,736
Back in Reception at New
Broadcasting House, Clare Balding,

456
00:22:19,737 --> 00:22:22,736
who as an OBE, has half a million
Twitter followers herself,

457
00:22:22,737 --> 00:22:24,736
has arrived, on the phone to
her agent.

458
00:22:24,737 --> 00:22:26,736
Fi, I've got to go. I'll call you
when I know stuff. OK?

459
00:22:26,737 --> 00:22:28,736
Yep, all right, bye. Bye-bye.

460
00:22:28,737 --> 00:22:30,736
Hi, Clare? Yes. Hi.

461
00:22:30,737 --> 00:22:33,736
Yeah, hi, yeah, cool. I'm Will,
so I'm kind of like an intern?

462
00:22:33,737 --> 00:22:34,736
Great, shall we go in?

463
00:22:34,737 --> 00:22:37,736
Cool, yeah, so - can I get you
a coffee or something?

464
00:22:37,737 --> 00:22:40,736
No, no, no, I'm fine, thanks. Cool,
or, like, a slice of apple tart?

465
00:22:40,737 --> 00:22:41,736
Apple tart?

466
00:22:41,737 --> 00:22:43,736
Yeah, I don't know,
it could be anything.

467
00:22:43,737 --> 00:22:45,737
No, really, I'm fine. Shall we...

468
00:22:46,737 --> 00:22:49,736
Yeah, cool, yeah, no, cool,
yeah, no worries.

469
00:22:49,737 --> 00:22:51,736
How are you? How am I?

470
00:22:51,737 --> 00:22:53,736
Yeah, I just mean - yeah.

471
00:22:53,737 --> 00:22:55,736
I'm... fine, thanks. Cool.

472
00:22:55,737 --> 00:22:59,736
You know, I've got a pass
and everything... Cool, yeah,
that's cool, yeah, no... Cool.

473
00:22:59,737 --> 00:23:03,736
Just... I love horses.
My sister had one.

474
00:23:03,737 --> 00:23:05,736
Great. Yeah, a really big one.

475
00:23:05,737 --> 00:23:07,736
Lovely. I used to have to feed it
some mornings

476
00:23:07,737 --> 00:23:08,818
but then it, like, got out?

477
00:23:10,737 --> 00:23:13,736
'No, what I would say
is we're always striving to be better

478
00:23:13,737 --> 00:23:17,736
'and to learn from our...
from experience, and if there is
a general lesson to be learned here,

479
00:23:17,737 --> 00:23:20,736
'we're absolutely committed to
finding out what that lesson is

480
00:23:20,737 --> 00:23:22,736
'and learning it going forward.'

481
00:23:22,737 --> 00:23:23,736
Who is this idiot?

482
00:23:23,737 --> 00:23:26,736
Yeah, I don't know him.
Are we moving? Yeah, say again?

483
00:23:26,737 --> 00:23:28,736
Are we actually going anywhere?
Yeah, OK. Cool.

484
00:23:28,737 --> 00:23:30,736
'..very interesting question,
Jenni,

485
00:23:30,737 --> 00:23:33,736
'and we're hoping that rationality,
not downsizing in that sense,

486
00:23:33,737 --> 00:23:37,736
'but I think in the sense of what is
the rationale? What is the BBC about?
Where are we going?

487
00:23:37,737 --> 00:23:39,736
'Where have we been,
and how do we get there?'

488
00:23:39,737 --> 00:23:40,737
'Doors opening.'

489
00:23:46,737 --> 00:23:49,737
Hey, Clare. Right.

490
00:23:50,737 --> 00:23:51,736
Fine. OK.

491
00:23:51,737 --> 00:23:56,736
Clare, hi, can I get you a coffee or
something? No, you know what? I
don't want a bloody coffee. Thanks.

492
00:23:56,737 --> 00:23:57,736
No, she doesn't want that.
Right. OK.

493
00:23:57,737 --> 00:23:59,736
OK, cool, yeah, no worries.

494
00:23:59,737 --> 00:24:01,737
'Lift going down.'

495
00:24:04,737 --> 00:24:05,737
Tracey, hi.

496
00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:08,737
Not great.

497
00:24:09,737 --> 00:24:12,736
No, no. Really not great. I'd like
to talk about the practicalities

498
00:24:12,737 --> 00:24:14,736
of this on the ground, if I may?

499
00:24:14,737 --> 00:24:16,736
Yes, of course. Yes.

500
00:24:16,737 --> 00:24:17,736
Vor-der-man. Is that confirmed?

501
00:24:17,737 --> 00:24:21,737
Yes. Vor-der-man.

502
00:24:22,737 --> 00:24:23,736
Right, yes.

503
00:24:23,737 --> 00:24:27,736
What exactly will that mean in
practical terms? Right.

504
00:24:27,737 --> 00:24:29,736
I suppose what I'm asking is,

505
00:24:29,737 --> 00:24:31,736
how will we know when you've learned
that lesson?

506
00:24:31,737 --> 00:24:34,736
No, of course,
that's a very good question
and you're right to ask it, Jenni.

507
00:24:34,737 --> 00:24:38,736
For instance - I've got to be a bit
careful about what I say here

508
00:24:38,737 --> 00:24:41,736
because I think we are actually
announcing this later today, but...

509
00:24:41,737 --> 00:24:42,736
..derman.
Clare Balding either!

510
00:24:42,737 --> 00:24:45,736
For those who don't know,
that's a show with Alan Titchmarsh.

511
00:24:45,737 --> 00:24:48,736
Exactly, yes,
and without giving too much away...

512
00:24:48,737 --> 00:24:50,736
Don't mention it! Yes.
Talk about anything!

513
00:24:50,737 --> 00:24:53,736
One example that's in my mind at the
moment because, as I say,

514
00:24:53,737 --> 00:24:55,736
we are announcing it later today...

515
00:24:55,737 --> 00:24:57,736
I am actually quite strong.

516
00:24:57,737 --> 00:25:00,736
..I am allowed to say at this stage,
in fact, I'm going to say it anyway,

517
00:25:00,737 --> 00:25:03,736
we've been talking to Sally Wingate,

518
00:25:03,737 --> 00:25:06,736
who, by the way, is one of our most
experienced regional women -

519
00:25:06,737 --> 00:25:08,736
women presenters, I mean, obviously.

520
00:25:08,737 --> 00:25:09,736
We've been talking to her

521
00:25:09,737 --> 00:25:11,736
about the possibility of her working
on that show,

522
00:25:11,737 --> 00:25:14,736
presenting alongside, as you say,
with the great Alan Titchmarsh,

523
00:25:14,737 --> 00:25:18,736
and I have to say, without giving too
much away, that we're very
much hoping that will happen.

524
00:25:18,737 --> 00:25:21,736
Well, if... And of course in terms
of the age issue,

525
00:25:21,737 --> 00:25:23,736
if we could pull
that off, that would give them

526
00:25:23,737 --> 00:25:28,736
a combined on-screen presenting age
of something north of 120 years old,
which is a very exciting thought.

527
00:25:28,737 --> 00:25:30,736
So no, yes, we're particularly
pleased about that,

528
00:25:30,737 --> 00:25:32,017
and so no, yes, that's all good.

529
00:25:49,575 --> 00:25:51,736
Brilliant. I just felt somebody had
to take a decision.

530
00:25:51,737 --> 00:25:52,736
No, brilliant, brilliant.

531
00:25:52,737 --> 00:25:54,736
It's been a long day.

532
00:25:54,737 --> 00:25:55,736
But by the end of it,

533
00:25:55,737 --> 00:25:58,736
Ian has made the necessary journey
from Salford to London

534
00:25:58,737 --> 00:26:00,736
in order to
get back to New Broadcasting House.

535
00:26:00,737 --> 00:26:03,736
Between you and me, this is
how this should have turned out

536
00:26:03,737 --> 00:26:04,736
from the beginning. Well, the...

537
00:26:04,737 --> 00:26:08,736
Honestly, I've just left Alan and
Tony, literally skipping around the
office together.

538
00:26:08,737 --> 00:26:11,736
Right, good. I mean, I haven't spoken
to Anna yet. Oh, Anna.

539
00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:14,736
I hope she's OK about the way
things... Well, what do you think?

540
00:26:14,737 --> 00:26:17,736
I mean... I'd say
that Anna's come out of this
really rather gorgeously. Right.

541
00:26:17,737 --> 00:26:20,736
Which you have to say is one of
Anna's great strengths. Right, yes.

542
00:26:20,737 --> 00:26:23,736
I can't tell you, all this stuff
about why the hell do we need
a Head of Values?

543
00:26:23,737 --> 00:26:27,736
Yes, w... what? Like Tony was saying,
you know, now finally, we know.

544
00:26:27,737 --> 00:26:30,736
Right. Just brilliant, brilliant.
Brilliant.

545
00:26:30,737 --> 00:26:31,736
For Ian, it's Friday evening

546
00:26:31,737 --> 00:26:35,736
and at the end of another week
as the BBC's new Head of Values,

547
00:26:35,737 --> 00:26:38,736
all that's left now is to finally
get back to his flat.

548
00:26:38,737 --> 00:26:42,736
But on the other hand, Sally Wingate
is a fresh, new face and... well,

549
00:26:42,737 --> 00:26:45,736
OK, she's new anyway, and we just
thought the idea of Alan on BBC One

550
00:26:45,737 --> 00:26:49,736
with someone who wasn't either Clare
Balding, or in fact, Carol Vorderman

551
00:26:49,737 --> 00:26:51,857
was just a really exciting way to go
with the whole...

552
00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:56,736
No, right. I mean, so maybe
the thing to do, then, is for Alan

553
00:26:56,737 --> 00:26:58,737
to have a think about it
and then, you know...

554
00:27:00,737 --> 00:27:03,736
No, OK. Well, obviously that's
a different way of looking at it,

555
00:27:03,737 --> 00:27:05,777
I mean, I wouldn't use
either of those words, but...

556
00:27:07,737 --> 00:27:10,736
Right, OK, no, yes,
well, thank you for phoning, Donna,

557
00:27:10,737 --> 00:27:13,736
and thanks for putting us
in the picture, so...

558
00:27:13,737 --> 00:27:16,736
Yes, and as I say, we're still
absolutely...

559
00:27:16,737 --> 00:27:19,736
Yes, OK, bye, then, Donna,
thank you, you too, OK, bye.

560
00:27:19,737 --> 00:27:20,737
Bye.

561
00:27:21,737 --> 00:27:23,736
Right. Hi. Hi.

562
00:27:23,737 --> 00:27:26,736
How's it going? Fine, yes. Fine.
Right.

563
00:27:26,737 --> 00:27:29,737
'Lift going down.'

564
00:27:31,737 --> 00:27:34,736
Sorry, I really wasn't listening.
No. But was that...

565
00:27:34,737 --> 00:27:36,736
Yes, that was Donna, yes,
Alan Titchmarsh's agent.

566
00:27:36,737 --> 00:27:38,736
Right. So...
Yes, he's pulled out too now, yes.

567
00:27:38,737 --> 00:27:40,736
Right.
So yes, pretty much a clean sweep.

568
00:27:40,737 --> 00:27:43,736
I'm sorry if... No, that's OK.
I hope I haven't... No, no.

569
00:27:43,737 --> 00:27:45,736
I was in a bit of a tight spot. Yes.

570
00:27:45,737 --> 00:27:48,736
I'm afraid it all got a bit...
No, really, don't worry,
this is quite normal.

571
00:27:48,737 --> 00:27:50,736
Really? Is it?
Yes, this is a pretty ordinary day.

572
00:27:50,737 --> 00:27:53,736
Right. I have to say,
it didn't feel very ordinary to me.

573
00:27:53,737 --> 00:27:55,736
No, but it will do soon.
Don't worry, really.

574
00:27:55,737 --> 00:27:56,737
Right, well. Yes.

575
00:27:57,737 --> 00:27:59,737
'Doors opening.'

576
00:28:04,737 --> 00:28:07,736
Right, well, another week. Yes.

577
00:28:07,737 --> 00:28:08,736
Which way do you... I'm Camden, yes.

578
00:28:08,737 --> 00:28:11,736
Right. Or Kentish Town, really,
depends who I'm talking to. Right.

579
00:28:11,737 --> 00:28:13,736
What about you?
Err, Maida Vale, yes. Right.

580
00:28:13,737 --> 00:28:16,736
No other way of really saying that.
No.

581
00:28:16,737 --> 00:28:18,736
Well, see you on Monday for more,
I suppose.

582
00:28:18,737 --> 00:28:20,736
Yes. More of what?

583
00:28:20,737 --> 00:28:22,736
I don't know, more of this,
I suppose. Yes.

584
00:28:22,737 --> 00:28:24,737
See you Monday, then, yes.
Right, bye. Bye.

585
00:28:34,802 --> 00:29:09,760
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